Considering they are hiding what really went down around that plantation, I'm glad it burned too. Thanks for the history lesson.
On another note, you may think you're saving yourself from managing trolls on Substack, by putting everything behind a paywall, but it's going to bite you in the butt, Mrs. Reid. There's enough of us around that we'll shout down your aggressors, but if you really want a lot of people subscribing to you, you'll take that off. If you want to paywall anything, do it to your chat. Otherwise, you're insulting everybody's intelligence by disallowing comments in your articles except to those who pay. I won't do it for long myself.
As the son of a Black celebrity & elder, you should know 1) There aren't a bunch of Black people on this platform. 2) Celebrities are a dime a dozen around here. 3) We value those who value us as readers.
You don't have to listen to me, but after observing this place for a little over a year, I think I might be on the mark. I too established an account years ago, and came back here to write after I got chased off Medium for beaning white men in the head for trolling Black women's articles there. Peace!
I too would like all subscribers to all substacks to allow comments whether they pay or not, I subscribe to many, but as a retired nurse paying too many medical bills can only subscribe to a few. It makes me feel that because I have limited means, that my voice doesn’t matter, As a woman, I have always dealt with discrimination, but not until trumps viscious D.E.I. War and .Vance telling me in oh so many ways that “ I have forgotten my place” have I felt so hated just for being born a woman, I suspect all the other groups of discriminated against people by Trump feel similarly, It would be nice to always be able to feel my voice was allowed and hopefully had some value to at least a few other people, Only allowing paying subscribers to make a comment feels very discriminatory.
I'm an elder living on a fixed-income with many bills. That's why I don't like it. I can only afford to pay so many people around here. I stuck with her only because she's a Black woman and was an MSNBC favorite. Doesn't mean I might not drop her if my budget won't allow but so many subscriptions on this platform.
Agreed. She's not doing it to discriminate, though. She said people would have to pay to troll. She has too many fans for us to allow trolls to get anything but headaches. LOL 😂 In fact, it might make her laugh to see what we do with trolls on Substack. We've got them on their heels here and on the run. Yup! ✊🏿
I have heard this ratioanale from others, but it makes no sense, I can pay and still be a troll. on other substacks thst allow nonpayimg members to leave comments , the troll issue is no different, so I continue to feel thst it is somehow misguided and while maybe not intentionally discriminatory, the outcome is thst it is discriminatory, Intention is not always necessary for discrimination to be a fact,
Lots & lots of writers do it here. Of all kinds of races & creeds. They can't all be discriminating. They're just clueless that it's bringing in extra money. I think it deters, not invites. I end up unsubscribing to many who do it and figure it's their loss. We can generate lots of activity if unhindered.
Did you ever consider that this is one of the ways she pays her bills? Most of her paid subscribers pay because we value her work and want to continue to have her voice present during these bizarre times? The cost of a subscription is what, 1 Starbucks latte? And for heavens sake, what does your father's legacy in MLB have to do with your comment? It's not lending any gravitas to your accusations.
People can pay her whether she makes her posts/articles subscriber comment only. If you're not a writer around here, you don't know how it works. Nope, you're not. I invite you to mind your own business on this one. That is NOT how one is paid. She said why she's doing that, and it has nothing to do with paying her bills. SMFH
Yes, I did. I play for the long-game, not short. Like I said, nobody has to listen to what I said, but she'd be wise to 'consider' the nature of this place and what I've seen. I am not answering what you said about my father. She'll understand, not you. Had nothing to do with MLB. 🙄
On a more "Joy"ous note, thanks for this article and the funny memes and thanks for all that you do. Let's thank the ancestors for taking down this monument to slavery. May it's ashes give those who lived and work there a bit of peace.
my ancestors do not take joy in destruction of their labors or thei history, My ancestors mourn the loss of appreciation for their labors or thei and the living edifice to remind people of their enslavement, Without the building, who will ask about its history, now it will be lost. .are yiu really thingin about what yiu are saying?
To those arguing that this monument to our oppression somehow should have been preserved to “remember” slavery, please look at the inane and offensive images on the website. NOTHING about that plantation “honored” the enslaved. Not one thing.
Did you actually read Joy’s post? Or did you just come here with preconceived notions? Because her post made it clear that this plantation thrived on deluded white folks pretending to be the enslavers, and engaging in offensive cos-playing, not on recreating the history of our people who were enslaved.
My husband and I spent Christmas week in New Orleans for years. Oak Alley, a nearby River Road plantation is where we first learned something about what “slave cabins” meant. For a minute, I wondered if we’d been to Nottaway, too. Then I realized that we hadn’t but had seen so damn many images of the place. We need some of these places, but will losing one make a difference, I wonder. LOVE the painting of Harriet Tubman and the firefighter photo. Had never seen either.
“ I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
And
“ There may not be as much humanity in the world as one would like to see. But there is some. There's more than one would think. In any case, if you break faith with what you know, that's a betrayal of many, many, many, many people. I may know six people, but that's enough. Love has never been a popular movement and no one's ever wanted really to be free. The world is held togther, really it is held together, by the love and the passion of very few people. Otherwise, of course you're in despair. Walk down the street of any city, any afternoon, and look around you. What you've got to remember is what you're looking at is also you. Everyone you're looking at is also you. You could be that person. You could be that person, you could be that cop. And you have to decide in yourself not to be.”
― James Baldwin
I am saddened by the # of people who are glad to see this plantation burn because after being converted to a destination resort they are not publicizing its past. anyone going ther could look up it’s history, I am what I like to think of as a quintessential American, My ancestry is Neanderthal, Dutch, German, French, Wales, Scotch, .Chinese, African ( I am sorry that I do not know from what country): Cherokee and Potawatomi that I know of, It is my belief that the ancestors would want the craftsmanship and bei arts of the building to stand as a monument to their work, and the building to remain as a reminder of our history, thst there was a time when many many believed in slavery, a very dark stain on our country that needs edifices so s history cannot be written out of history books, Were the owners deliberately hiding the history, maybe, but how many other places do that out of fear of of having the place destroyed? It is no simple task keeping history alive, We have so few buildings that are built with the quality ingredients and craftsmanship to last over a hundred years, I mourn the lack of appreciation and the loss of this national treasure.
Without it as a physical reminder, who will ask about its history now?
People hanging out there could care less about the history of that plantation. That's the point. They'd be the very ones standing around taking pictures of hung Black men/women. They were making money off a place that was cruel to us. We're tired of white people making money at our expense. I don't care what your ancestry is. If you don't know this, it doesn't matter you're part African. You're on the wrong side of history in this case.
Do you really think white people having weddings there cared about the slaves that created the place? Of course not. It's the same as dumb statues of racist men. They can't exactly burn, but they can be taken down. They want to erase our history right now? Things like this are justice for them doing that.
While I understand wanting reparations, believe me as a woman, I still have less reparations and Constitutional protection than a black man, but burning down the building just eliminates the record. Off that history, It doesn’t matter if the peole using the building today are unaware of its past. while it was still there, historians, the state, many mamy people would still know, .without the building, who is going to ask? even if it is not in the brosure, would any American really see a plantation and not know its history,
“ enslaved African Americans were among the laborers who built the White House and the U.S. Capitol, alongside white wage workers and European artisans
Do you think that the White House and the US capital should burn because of its history of slave labor. slavery is a terrible part of our history and I don’t want the reminders of it to be eliminated, I don’t want us to ever forget,
You're kind of showing that you care more about that building than you do about Black humans that suffered there. You really don't care about us, as far as I'm concerned. TF cares about historians? They shouldn't need a building to be interested in what happened to us in those times. Truth is, they don't. They like stats and buildings, which shows up when we get pissed enough to burn their shit down, out of frustration of being oppressed ... TODAY. I say, "Burn, baby, burn!" This asinine regime is trying to take the country back to the 1800's. Reinstate slavery. You're dealing with a man who lived through the 1960's, and you have no idea how pissed I am to see Jim Crow 2. I'd back down if I were you.
Who said anything about reparations? That's a different topic. Trust me, if you're Black, you'll never forget because we're still living under the affects of slavery. It's only been modernized. Buildings really don't matter, and as long as they're not giving the proceeds of what they're doing straight into our community, I don't care if the building is there or not. Many, many buildings aren't there anymore. We built the wealth that white people have been enjoying for centuries.
Read the room on X, and you'll see many agree with me, not you. I understand why you'd want it around, but again, we're not benefiting from it in any way. White folks are, without one single care of what really went on there in the distant past. We also built the White House, which isn't going anywhere. 😆 Plantations, Linda? PLANTATIONS? Do you have any idea what went on in those places? Come on, now.
I don’t have to be fully 100% black to never forget, I also don’t forget that women were property and used for free labor, allowed to be beaten and raped by so called husbands, Women are still deal with that horrible history of discrimination, unequal health care research, death from inadequate maternal care understanding, sex trafficking, unequal pay for qual work, refusal to use inclusive language, we are invisible in our language and are just supposed to assume we are included, higher costs for simple things like razor blades or dry cleaning a blouse, Vance and this “Christian Nationalists” have told me in so many ways thst I am inferior to men and haspace “forgotten my olace”. Slavery is one of the ways people have been told they were less than, unequal, undeserving of equality, but women and LGBTQAI+ have also been told the same thing and many have been beaten and killed with no consequences from laws to protect them. I am kind of tired of white peole being blamed as if many white peole haven’t also suffered the consequences of “white supremacy”. we need another way of discussing the difference between those, and they are usually men who believe that. They are superior and have the right to get their needs met at the expense of other humans and those that believe that we should take care of each other and treat each other if deserving of equality and humanity regardless of sex, gender, or skin color, Every time I hear whites dom’t understand, it hurts me. Ion my life, I have been raped, beaten, denied a bank account or loan without the signature of a father or husband, denied educational opportunities because women just went to college to find a husbands denied so many opportunities, endured many inappropriate advances and remarks from men because I was seen as an object for conquest and not as a human being deserviing of basic common courtesy, respect, and kindness. I welcome these discussions and I hope it will help us up understand each other, our history, and our current situation better.
Don't compare women's suffrage to slavery. You must be joking me. Have several seats, because you are barking up the wrong tree, getting on my nerves, and I'll tolerate only so much ignorance from anybody around here. Do you really want that? Keep on missing the point, and I'll hand it to you in droves. Go troll someone else, because I wasn't trolling you to tell you how WE feel about RACISM. That's the problem with lots of white folks. Your listening skills are very poor and you end up putting your feet in your mouth.
Oh, here we goooooo! You have no clue who you're talking to, Linda. I have been all of those things, so don't be a misandrist. We're talking about buildings vs. people, and you're changing the subject. Whataboutism is still an ISM!! SMFH 🙄
You are to blame, and if you don't think so, you're being racist. Fuck your feelings and you need to face the truth of history and how you maintain it to this day. THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO IT!
“There may not be as much humanity in the world as one would like to see. But there is some. There's more than one would think. In any case, if you break faith with what you know, that's a betrayal of many, many, many, many people. I may know six people, but that's enough. Love has never been a popular movement and no one's ever wanted really to be free. The world is held togther, really it is held together, by the love and the passion of very few people. Otherwise, of course you're in despair. Walk down the street of any city, any afternoon, and look around you. What you've got to remember is what you're looking at is also you. Everyone you're looking at is also you. You could be that person. You could be that person, you could be that cop. And you have to decide in yourself not to be.”
― James Baldwin
I am sorry that your pain does not allow you to hear mine, I was hoping for mutual understanding and respect, I would ask you to Sam in your unconscious biases, At this point you are just another level of dismissive SS and pain and I don’t see a way forward for further discussion, If at any point you feel differently or think you you may want to actually discuss each others experience let me know.
That tour guide is repulsive. Making it seem like there was so much white compassion for the slaves that they didn't separate families and wow....they had a doc. Wow. The entire establishment is history, but not presented correctly. How can people dance at a wedding where they know people were slaughtered, beaten and kept hostage? It would be like having a wedding reception at Auschwitz. WTF.
Considering they are hiding what really went down around that plantation, I'm glad it burned too. Thanks for the history lesson.
On another note, you may think you're saving yourself from managing trolls on Substack, by putting everything behind a paywall, but it's going to bite you in the butt, Mrs. Reid. There's enough of us around that we'll shout down your aggressors, but if you really want a lot of people subscribing to you, you'll take that off. If you want to paywall anything, do it to your chat. Otherwise, you're insulting everybody's intelligence by disallowing comments in your articles except to those who pay. I won't do it for long myself.
As the son of a Black celebrity & elder, you should know 1) There aren't a bunch of Black people on this platform. 2) Celebrities are a dime a dozen around here. 3) We value those who value us as readers.
You don't have to listen to me, but after observing this place for a little over a year, I think I might be on the mark. I too established an account years ago, and came back here to write after I got chased off Medium for beaning white men in the head for trolling Black women's articles there. Peace!
I too would like all subscribers to all substacks to allow comments whether they pay or not, I subscribe to many, but as a retired nurse paying too many medical bills can only subscribe to a few. It makes me feel that because I have limited means, that my voice doesn’t matter, As a woman, I have always dealt with discrimination, but not until trumps viscious D.E.I. War and .Vance telling me in oh so many ways that “ I have forgotten my place” have I felt so hated just for being born a woman, I suspect all the other groups of discriminated against people by Trump feel similarly, It would be nice to always be able to feel my voice was allowed and hopefully had some value to at least a few other people, Only allowing paying subscribers to make a comment feels very discriminatory.
I'm an elder living on a fixed-income with many bills. That's why I don't like it. I can only afford to pay so many people around here. I stuck with her only because she's a Black woman and was an MSNBC favorite. Doesn't mean I might not drop her if my budget won't allow but so many subscriptions on this platform.
Agreed. She's not doing it to discriminate, though. She said people would have to pay to troll. She has too many fans for us to allow trolls to get anything but headaches. LOL 😂 In fact, it might make her laugh to see what we do with trolls on Substack. We've got them on their heels here and on the run. Yup! ✊🏿
I have heard this ratioanale from others, but it makes no sense, I can pay and still be a troll. on other substacks thst allow nonpayimg members to leave comments , the troll issue is no different, so I continue to feel thst it is somehow misguided and while maybe not intentionally discriminatory, the outcome is thst it is discriminatory, Intention is not always necessary for discrimination to be a fact,
Lots & lots of writers do it here. Of all kinds of races & creeds. They can't all be discriminating. They're just clueless that it's bringing in extra money. I think it deters, not invites. I end up unsubscribing to many who do it and figure it's their loss. We can generate lots of activity if unhindered.
Did you ever consider that this is one of the ways she pays her bills? Most of her paid subscribers pay because we value her work and want to continue to have her voice present during these bizarre times? The cost of a subscription is what, 1 Starbucks latte? And for heavens sake, what does your father's legacy in MLB have to do with your comment? It's not lending any gravitas to your accusations.
Leslie, FYI many of us can’t afford to pay, your come t about it being the cost of a latte is highly insulting,
People can pay her whether she makes her posts/articles subscriber comment only. If you're not a writer around here, you don't know how it works. Nope, you're not. I invite you to mind your own business on this one. That is NOT how one is paid. She said why she's doing that, and it has nothing to do with paying her bills. SMFH
Now you've gone and made me cry. Boo hoo 🤣🤣🤣
Leslie, your pro ledge and ignorance is showing, Have yiu no empathy for peole living on a fixed income? Have yiu no shame?
Before I call you out your name, fuck off, Leslie. Nobody asked for your ignorant response. You understood none of what I said.
Yes, I did. I play for the long-game, not short. Like I said, nobody has to listen to what I said, but she'd be wise to 'consider' the nature of this place and what I've seen. I am not answering what you said about my father. She'll understand, not you. Had nothing to do with MLB. 🙄
FYI: making articles as subscriber-only comments has nothing to do with cash-flow ... directly anyway.
On a more "Joy"ous note, thanks for this article and the funny memes and thanks for all that you do. Let's thank the ancestors for taking down this monument to slavery. May it's ashes give those who lived and work there a bit of peace.
my ancestors do not take joy in destruction of their labors or thei history, My ancestors mourn the loss of appreciation for their labors or thei and the living edifice to remind people of their enslavement, Without the building, who will ask about its history, now it will be lost. .are yiu really thingin about what yiu are saying?
To those arguing that this monument to our oppression somehow should have been preserved to “remember” slavery, please look at the inane and offensive images on the website. NOTHING about that plantation “honored” the enslaved. Not one thing.
Did you actually read Joy’s post? Or did you just come here with preconceived notions? Because her post made it clear that this plantation thrived on deluded white folks pretending to be the enslavers, and engaging in offensive cos-playing, not on recreating the history of our people who were enslaved.
There ya go! Someone talk to Linda before I rip her a new butt hole. Hahahahaha 😂
Karma continues with her exquisite timing.
My husband and I spent Christmas week in New Orleans for years. Oak Alley, a nearby River Road plantation is where we first learned something about what “slave cabins” meant. For a minute, I wondered if we’d been to Nottaway, too. Then I realized that we hadn’t but had seen so damn many images of the place. We need some of these places, but will losing one make a difference, I wonder. LOVE the painting of Harriet Tubman and the firefighter photo. Had never seen either.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
* humming *
https://youtu.be/5ntHZ8yt2Ws?si=8b5kkhzTy-cvfy_E
🎶🎵🎻🪕
Two quotes come to mind
“ I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
And
“ There may not be as much humanity in the world as one would like to see. But there is some. There's more than one would think. In any case, if you break faith with what you know, that's a betrayal of many, many, many, many people. I may know six people, but that's enough. Love has never been a popular movement and no one's ever wanted really to be free. The world is held togther, really it is held together, by the love and the passion of very few people. Otherwise, of course you're in despair. Walk down the street of any city, any afternoon, and look around you. What you've got to remember is what you're looking at is also you. Everyone you're looking at is also you. You could be that person. You could be that person, you could be that cop. And you have to decide in yourself not to be.”
― James Baldwin
I am saddened by the # of people who are glad to see this plantation burn because after being converted to a destination resort they are not publicizing its past. anyone going ther could look up it’s history, I am what I like to think of as a quintessential American, My ancestry is Neanderthal, Dutch, German, French, Wales, Scotch, .Chinese, African ( I am sorry that I do not know from what country): Cherokee and Potawatomi that I know of, It is my belief that the ancestors would want the craftsmanship and bei arts of the building to stand as a monument to their work, and the building to remain as a reminder of our history, thst there was a time when many many believed in slavery, a very dark stain on our country that needs edifices so s history cannot be written out of history books, Were the owners deliberately hiding the history, maybe, but how many other places do that out of fear of of having the place destroyed? It is no simple task keeping history alive, We have so few buildings that are built with the quality ingredients and craftsmanship to last over a hundred years, I mourn the lack of appreciation and the loss of this national treasure.
Without it as a physical reminder, who will ask about its history now?
People hanging out there could care less about the history of that plantation. That's the point. They'd be the very ones standing around taking pictures of hung Black men/women. They were making money off a place that was cruel to us. We're tired of white people making money at our expense. I don't care what your ancestry is. If you don't know this, it doesn't matter you're part African. You're on the wrong side of history in this case.
Do you really think white people having weddings there cared about the slaves that created the place? Of course not. It's the same as dumb statues of racist men. They can't exactly burn, but they can be taken down. They want to erase our history right now? Things like this are justice for them doing that.
While I understand wanting reparations, believe me as a woman, I still have less reparations and Constitutional protection than a black man, but burning down the building just eliminates the record. Off that history, It doesn’t matter if the peole using the building today are unaware of its past. while it was still there, historians, the state, many mamy people would still know, .without the building, who is going to ask? even if it is not in the brosure, would any American really see a plantation and not know its history,
“ enslaved African Americans were among the laborers who built the White House and the U.S. Capitol, alongside white wage workers and European artisans
Do you think that the White House and the US capital should burn because of its history of slave labor. slavery is a terrible part of our history and I don’t want the reminders of it to be eliminated, I don’t want us to ever forget,
You're kind of showing that you care more about that building than you do about Black humans that suffered there. You really don't care about us, as far as I'm concerned. TF cares about historians? They shouldn't need a building to be interested in what happened to us in those times. Truth is, they don't. They like stats and buildings, which shows up when we get pissed enough to burn their shit down, out of frustration of being oppressed ... TODAY. I say, "Burn, baby, burn!" This asinine regime is trying to take the country back to the 1800's. Reinstate slavery. You're dealing with a man who lived through the 1960's, and you have no idea how pissed I am to see Jim Crow 2. I'd back down if I were you.
Who said anything about reparations? That's a different topic. Trust me, if you're Black, you'll never forget because we're still living under the affects of slavery. It's only been modernized. Buildings really don't matter, and as long as they're not giving the proceeds of what they're doing straight into our community, I don't care if the building is there or not. Many, many buildings aren't there anymore. We built the wealth that white people have been enjoying for centuries.
Read the room on X, and you'll see many agree with me, not you. I understand why you'd want it around, but again, we're not benefiting from it in any way. White folks are, without one single care of what really went on there in the distant past. We also built the White House, which isn't going anywhere. 😆 Plantations, Linda? PLANTATIONS? Do you have any idea what went on in those places? Come on, now.
I don’t have to be fully 100% black to never forget, I also don’t forget that women were property and used for free labor, allowed to be beaten and raped by so called husbands, Women are still deal with that horrible history of discrimination, unequal health care research, death from inadequate maternal care understanding, sex trafficking, unequal pay for qual work, refusal to use inclusive language, we are invisible in our language and are just supposed to assume we are included, higher costs for simple things like razor blades or dry cleaning a blouse, Vance and this “Christian Nationalists” have told me in so many ways thst I am inferior to men and haspace “forgotten my olace”. Slavery is one of the ways people have been told they were less than, unequal, undeserving of equality, but women and LGBTQAI+ have also been told the same thing and many have been beaten and killed with no consequences from laws to protect them. I am kind of tired of white peole being blamed as if many white peole haven’t also suffered the consequences of “white supremacy”. we need another way of discussing the difference between those, and they are usually men who believe that. They are superior and have the right to get their needs met at the expense of other humans and those that believe that we should take care of each other and treat each other if deserving of equality and humanity regardless of sex, gender, or skin color, Every time I hear whites dom’t understand, it hurts me. Ion my life, I have been raped, beaten, denied a bank account or loan without the signature of a father or husband, denied educational opportunities because women just went to college to find a husbands denied so many opportunities, endured many inappropriate advances and remarks from men because I was seen as an object for conquest and not as a human being deserviing of basic common courtesy, respect, and kindness. I welcome these discussions and I hope it will help us up understand each other, our history, and our current situation better.
Don't compare women's suffrage to slavery. You must be joking me. Have several seats, because you are barking up the wrong tree, getting on my nerves, and I'll tolerate only so much ignorance from anybody around here. Do you really want that? Keep on missing the point, and I'll hand it to you in droves. Go troll someone else, because I wasn't trolling you to tell you how WE feel about RACISM. That's the problem with lots of white folks. Your listening skills are very poor and you end up putting your feet in your mouth.
Oh, here we goooooo! You have no clue who you're talking to, Linda. I have been all of those things, so don't be a misandrist. We're talking about buildings vs. people, and you're changing the subject. Whataboutism is still an ISM!! SMFH 🙄
You are to blame, and if you don't think so, you're being racist. Fuck your feelings and you need to face the truth of history and how you maintain it to this day. THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO IT!
James Baldwin
“There may not be as much humanity in the world as one would like to see. But there is some. There's more than one would think. In any case, if you break faith with what you know, that's a betrayal of many, many, many, many people. I may know six people, but that's enough. Love has never been a popular movement and no one's ever wanted really to be free. The world is held togther, really it is held together, by the love and the passion of very few people. Otherwise, of course you're in despair. Walk down the street of any city, any afternoon, and look around you. What you've got to remember is what you're looking at is also you. Everyone you're looking at is also you. You could be that person. You could be that person, you could be that cop. And you have to decide in yourself not to be.”
― James Baldwin
I am sorry that your pain does not allow you to hear mine, I was hoping for mutual understanding and respect, I would ask you to Sam in your unconscious biases, At this point you are just another level of dismissive SS and pain and I don’t see a way forward for further discussion, If at any point you feel differently or think you you may want to actually discuss each others experience let me know.
That tour guide is repulsive. Making it seem like there was so much white compassion for the slaves that they didn't separate families and wow....they had a doc. Wow. The entire establishment is history, but not presented correctly. How can people dance at a wedding where they know people were slaughtered, beaten and kept hostage? It would be like having a wedding reception at Auschwitz. WTF.